Time |
User |
Said |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I see we have one more joining us... |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
whoa and a bunch just arrived |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:42 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
hello Katie, Nathan, and Amanda! |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:49 2008 |
Katie_Hallman |
Hi! |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:57 2008 |
Nathaniel_Phillips |
hey |
Thu Nov 13 14:58:59 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
hi! |
Thu Nov 13 14:59:01 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Greetings, Erin! |
Thu Nov 13 14:59:06 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
hello! |
Thu Nov 13 14:59:12 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
G'day Bethany! |
Thu Nov 13 14:59:32 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hello to you all from Phoenix Arizona! |
Thu Nov 13 14:59:55 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Is anyone joining us from somewhere besides Tuscaloosa/Northport? |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:01 2008 |
Christy_Abercrombie |
bham |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:02 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Christy: Are you in Bhm? |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I see |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:06 2008 |
Christy_Abercrombie |
yes sir |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:26 2008 |
Bethany_Andrews |
hello! |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:48 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I see now that we've got 8 students |
Thu Nov 13 15:00:58 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
That's about half the class. |
Thu Nov 13 15:01:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'll give the others a little while before we start |
Thu Nov 13 15:01:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hey, Ben! |
Thu Nov 13 15:01:35 2008 |
Benjamin_Kallam |
Hey |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:18 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hi, Marissa! |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:23 2008 |
Marissa_De_Anda |
hello |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:29 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Greetings, Nic! |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:34 2008 |
John_Gulas |
helllo |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hey, Brian |
Thu Nov 13 15:03:58 2008 |
Brian_Hubble |
Hi. |
Thu Nov 13 15:04:00 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hello, Graham! |
Thu Nov 13 15:04:05 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
hey room |
Thu Nov 13 15:04:23 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I see about 15 of you made it! |
Thu Nov 13 15:04:26 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Excellent! |
Thu Nov 13 15:05:03 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
so whats the word? |
Thu Nov 13 15:05:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'm in Phoenix just now |
Thu Nov 13 15:05:44 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
nice out there? |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:05 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
that's awesome |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:12 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Kinda looks like this (see way too big image dispalying above |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:20 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
that's really pretty - how's the weather? |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:23 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
nice. you golf? |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:38 2008 |
Bethany_Andrews |
that's beautiful |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:39 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
that is really cool |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:55 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Let's go back to Screenpedia... |
Thu Nov 13 15:06:57 2008 |
Brian_Hubble |
Very nice. |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:15 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'm in my parents house... which makes this pretty strange for me! |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:23 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
hahaha |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:26 2008 |
Benjamin_Kallam |
Ha |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:27 2008 |
Marissa_De_Anda |
lol |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:34 2008 |
Katie_Hallman |
haha |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'm having high school flashbacks... |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:43 2008 |
John_Gulas |
lol |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:47 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
lol |
Thu Nov 13 15:07:54 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'll tell you one bit of Central High School (Phx) trivia before we start. |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:07 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I went to school with John McCain's wife, Cindy |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:11 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Central, class of '72 |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:14 2008 |
Katie_Hallman |
omg! |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:16 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
well |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:18 2008 |
Marissa_De_Anda |
really |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
woahhh |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:19 2008 |
Katie_Hallman |
that's crazy |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:29 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
wow! |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:31 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I had an offer of $300 for my senior year yearbook |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:33 2008 |
Bethany_Andrews |
did you know her? |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
from a guy who collects celebrity yearbooks |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:42 2008 |
Katie_Hallman |
i would take the $300 |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:44 2008 |
Benjamin_Kallam |
What was she like? |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:56 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
that's so funny |
Thu Nov 13 15:08:58 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'd guess it's worth a LOT less now... :( |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:16 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay, enough Phx trivia... |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Thank you all for trying out this chat thing |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:43 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
seems ok |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:48 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I did it on Tuesday with TCF 340 -- right Nathan? |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:51 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
And it worked okay |
Thu Nov 13 15:09:59 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
yea, we should do it again sometime |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:00 2008 |
Nathaniel_Phillips |
yeah it worked out pretty well |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Plus I learned some stuff about the interface that should make it better this time |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
here's what we're going to do... |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:26 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'm going to divide you up like we do in class |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:37 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
but here it's called 'breakout rooms' |
Thu Nov 13 15:10:54 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
You'll be able to chat there as individual groups |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:03 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
about the terms displayed above, from Screenpedia |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:16 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Then your group leader will be responsibel for reporting to the class |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:17 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
will we need to click something |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'll do the dividing |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:45 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
You don't need to 'virtually' rearrange your chairs |
Thu Nov 13 15:11:59 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Although you may walk around your apartment/dorm room if you feel like it! |
Thu Nov 13 15:12:15 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... |
Thu Nov 13 15:12:31 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
okay |
Thu Nov 13 15:12:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Theother thing is there are some little icons just to the right of the text enry box |
Thu Nov 13 15:12:43 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
a check mark, an X, a hand |
Thu Nov 13 15:13:01 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
If you click the checkmark, it means "yes" and puts a check next to your name |
Thu Nov 13 15:13:06 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The 'X' means no |
Thu Nov 13 15:13:25 2008 |
Jonathan_Carpenter |
pertaining to |
Thu Nov 13 15:13:30 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So, everyone try that out: If you understand what we're about to do, click the checkmark |
Thu Nov 13 15:13:46 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
If you don't, click the X |
Thu Nov 13 15:14:32 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Alright! |
Thu Nov 13 15:14:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Click it again to clear it from the column |
Thu Nov 13 15:14:54 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'm going to divide you now... |
Thu Nov 13 15:16:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... everyone is in a breakout room now |
Thu Nov 13 15:16:59 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I can broadcast to the whole class, but you can only type to your group members |
Thu Nov 13 15:17:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'll come visit each room... |
Thu Nov 13 15:17:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
... but start working on the terms listed for your group in Screenpedia above |
Thu Nov 13 15:17:49 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
You can send me a personal message by using the drop-downlist to the left of the text entry box |
Thu Nov 13 15:26:50 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
We'll work in breakout rooms until 2:35 |
Thu Nov 13 15:28:34 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television |
Thu Nov 13 15:28:42 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
ooops... I mean... |
Thu Nov 13 15:29:05 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
If you room finishes early, please start working on the Screenpedia section titled 'Ideology and contradiction in the texts of television" |
Thu Nov 13 15:31:33 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Hey, Chuck |
Thu Nov 13 15:31:54 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Do you read me? |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:10 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
yes sir |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:31 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
sorry im late |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:33 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The class has been divided into breakout rooms until 2:35 |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I'll move you into yours. |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:46 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
That's okay. Glad you could make it |
Thu Nov 13 15:32:53 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
ok thank you |
Thu Nov 13 15:35:10 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... let's move on back into the main room |
Thu Nov 13 15:35:15 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Get ready... |
Thu Nov 13 15:36:09 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Welcome back everyone! |
Thu Nov 13 15:36:26 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Let's find out what folks learned in the breakout rooms |
Thu Nov 13 15:36:38 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
We'll start with Group 2 |
Thu Nov 13 15:36:53 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mitch: how did you guys define 'social classes'? |
Thu Nov 13 15:37:09 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
(by the way, the chat in the main room is being recorded and will be posted later) |
Thu Nov 13 15:37:34 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
(Amanda: your group is next) |
Thu Nov 13 15:38:31 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mitch: did we lose you? |
Thu Nov 13 15:38:56 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
uh oh... |
Thu Nov 13 15:38:59 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
I'm sorry, I was having some difficulties |
Thu Nov 13 15:39:07 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... take your time |
Thu Nov 13 15:39:25 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Amanda, could you hop in and define "means of production"? |
Thu Nov 13 15:40:21 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
its factories that the bourgeois capitalists controlled - it determines who will work. In Marx's ideology, the working class has the power to withold the labor, or means of production |
Thu Nov 13 15:40:32 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Right |
Thu Nov 13 15:40:53 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
And what is the idea behind 'dominant ideology'? |
Thu Nov 13 15:41:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Oh, one thing about the means of production: |
Thu Nov 13 15:41:25 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
it's owned by the bourgeoisie |
Thu Nov 13 15:41:52 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
They control it, but the working class may go on strike to disrupt it |
Thu Nov 13 15:42:11 2008 |
Amanda_Killen |
its a system of beliefs about the world that benefits and supports a society's ruling class . It's an effort to smooth over contradiction in the process of promoting a more unified idea of social subjectivity |
Thu Nov 13 15:42:29 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Right. |
Thu Nov 13 15:42:52 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So the dominant ideology is the system of beliefs that belongs to the dominant class |
Thu Nov 13 15:42:59 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
social classes are grounded in economic s and a person's relation to work or labor. according to marx all conflicts in a society can be boiled down to class struggle |
Thu Nov 13 15:43:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mitch: right |
Thu Nov 13 15:43:20 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So what did Marx see as the three main classes? |
Thu Nov 13 15:43:34 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
aristocracy is the kings and queens, the royal class |
Thu Nov 13 15:43:43 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
right |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:08 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
Bourgeoisie is the ruling class that controls the means of production |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
correct |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:27 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
and proletariat? |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:42 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
the poor suckers that have to work for a living |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:44 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
The proleteriat is the working class that does the actual production |
Thu Nov 13 15:44:45 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
you got it |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:10 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
in the US then, there is no aristocracy |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:15 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
but in Europe, there is |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:28 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Aristocratic power is based in bloodlines |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:32 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
The ruling class today is the economic elete |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:35 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
elite |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:41 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The power of the bourgeois is based in money |
Thu Nov 13 15:45:44 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
you could call our celebrity system an aristocray |
Thu Nov 13 15:46:04 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
the bourgeoisie owns the factories, media, transporation, etc |
Thu Nov 13 15:46:12 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Matthew: in a sense you're right |
Thu Nov 13 15:46:31 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
but celebrities aren't able to hand down their power to their children the way true aristocrats do |
Thu Nov 13 15:46:49 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The power of the working class, then, is in their labor |
Thu Nov 13 15:46:50 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
So would the ruling class be like the major studios and media outlets today? |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:06 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mitch: yep, the ruling class conntrols those entities |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:11 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
huh? good point |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:17 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
OK, group 1: |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What's hegemony? |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:30 2008 |
Christy_Abercrombie |
its basically when one dominant class has influence or control over a society |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:33 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Christy? |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:37 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
right |
Thu Nov 13 15:47:46 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Can you tell us anything more about how that control works? |
Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
it describes the general predominance of a particular class, political, and ideological interests within a given society |
Thu Nov 13 15:48:38 2008 |
Christy_Abercrombie |
our example was politicians because they are very good at manipulating our thoughts, in terms of what we think we want, or they convince us we have problems and they can fix them... so they influence us by making us vote for them |
Thu Nov 13 15:48:47 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
True |
Thu Nov 13 15:48:58 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The key element to hegemony, as you're implying... |
Thu Nov 13 15:49:25 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
...is that the subordinated class (the class being exploited), comes to believe the ruling class' values are its own |
Thu Nov 13 15:49:44 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Let's try another element of this chat interface... |
Thu Nov 13 15:50:00 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
If you can answer the following question, click the little hand icon |
Thu Nov 13 15:50:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
That will virtually raise your hand |
Thu Nov 13 15:50:22 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Now, don't buzz in yet! Wait for the questino! |
Thu Nov 13 15:50:45 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What would be an example of a ruling class value that non-ruling class people believe? |
Thu Nov 13 15:51:02 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Brian, that was fast! Anyone else? |
Thu Nov 13 15:51:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
See how it numbers the hand raising column? |
Thu Nov 13 15:51:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay, we'll start with Brian: |
Thu Nov 13 15:51:31 2008 |
Brian_Hubble |
The disestablishment of the Estate Tax and equating that with the 'Death Tax'. |
Thu Nov 13 15:51:41 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Can you explain further? |
Thu Nov 13 15:52:03 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
While he's doing that: Matthew, what's your example? |
Thu Nov 13 15:52:06 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
the harder you work, the better your chances of succeeding in life |
Thu Nov 13 15:52:18 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
i like that one |
Thu Nov 13 15:52:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Matthew: exactly. Here's an idea that mostly serves the bourgeoisie, but which most working class people believe |
Thu Nov 13 15:52:58 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
the bourgeoisie want to keep the prolitariate working |
Thu Nov 13 15:53:01 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So, when working class people accept values that are NOT in their interest, then you have hegemony |
Thu Nov 13 15:53:13 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mitch, Graham: your thoughts? |
Thu Nov 13 15:53:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
(click the hand a second time to clear it) |
Thu Nov 13 15:53:39 2008 |
Brian_Hubble |
The Estate Tax is a tax on unearned wealth that most came into effect when transfering sums of money from various mutual funds or liquidating assets. But it became equated with a tax charged upon your death before your money is distributed to the benefactors of your will. This is a very short view since this tax only effect the top 1% of earners yet it was used to rally working class people who could never be called upon to pay something like this to defeat it. |
Thu Nov 13 15:53:41 2008 |
Charles_Chapleau |
yes, the idea is viewed as the commonsense view for both classes |
Thu Nov 13 15:54:17 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Right, Chuck, when ruling class values become 'commensense' for EVERYONE, you have hegemony |
Thu Nov 13 15:54:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Good example, Brian |
Thu Nov 13 15:54:28 2008 |
Mitchell_DeAnda |
It is natural that working class values would be largely dictated by the rulling class |
Thu Nov 13 15:55:07 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay, I had planned to divide you again, but let's try discussing the next points as one big class |
Thu Nov 13 15:55:21 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
we'll use the hand-raising function to try to make it work |
Thu Nov 13 15:55:34 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Brian: could you clear your 'raised hand' by clicking the hand again? |
Thu Nov 13 15:55:53 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... we're moving on to DESIGNING WOMEN |
Thu Nov 13 15:56:09 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
and the episode, The Strange Case of Clarence and Anita |
Thu Nov 13 15:56:26 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Mimi White, in the ideological crit chapter, says... |
Thu Nov 13 15:56:41 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
that TV shows tend to present contradictory messages |
Thu Nov 13 15:56:53 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
and 'ideological problematic' of pro and con |
Thu Nov 13 15:57:11 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The DW ep is very clear about the issues that it raises |
Thu Nov 13 15:57:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
You are either in favor of Clarence Thomas's approval as Supreme Court justice, or you are opposed |
Thu Nov 13 15:58:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What I'd like you to think about is how the ep could be agued as being either pro Thomas or anti Thomas (and pro Anita Hill) |
Thu Nov 13 15:58:37 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Those of you in groups 3 and 4 are responsible for pointing out how the sp supports Thomas |
Thu Nov 13 15:58:54 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Those of you in groups 1 and 2 are reponsible for pointing out how the ep supports Hill |
Thu Nov 13 15:59:16 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Give that some thought and we'll discuss it as a group -- using the hand raising system |
Thu Nov 13 15:59:19 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Any questions? |
Thu Nov 13 15:59:52 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Go think until 3:05! |
Thu Nov 13 16:00:10 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
You can send private messages to other group members by using the drop-down list to the left of the text-entry box |
Thu Nov 13 16:01:59 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
yes? |
Thu Nov 13 16:02:29 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
i am going to say that the episode is saying that these incidences are things created by women for attention |
Thu Nov 13 16:02:34 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
yes - i was there |
Thu Nov 13 16:02:50 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
and that this has no markings on his capabilites as chief justice |
Thu Nov 13 16:02:53 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
assistant justice |
Thu Nov 13 16:03:29 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
yes - i thought marisa and i were talking privately |
Thu Nov 13 16:04:23 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Remember: to chat privately, you must change the drop-down list on the left to a person's name |
Thu Nov 13 16:04:35 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
And you must change it back to the Main Room to address the class |
Thu Nov 13 16:05:26 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... everyone be sure to change the drop-down list to Main Room now |
Thu Nov 13 16:05:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
DW was produced by a woman who was an outspoken liberal. |
Thu Nov 13 16:05:58 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So one would assume that the ep supports the liberal position and is PRO Anita Hill |
Thu Nov 13 16:06:01 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Let's start there |
Thu Nov 13 16:06:29 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Those of you in groups 1 and 2... raise your hand if you have a point about how this ep supports Hill |
Thu Nov 13 16:06:56 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Nic: you first |
Thu Nov 13 16:06:58 2008 |
John_Gulas |
The obvious support of Anita Hill would be the "He Did it" shirt |
Thu Nov 13 16:07:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Who wears that shirt and how is it a indication of the ep's spport of Hill in general? |
Thu Nov 13 16:07:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
(Anyone in group 1 or 2 can jump in here) |
Thu Nov 13 16:08:11 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Anyone? no need to raise a hand |
Thu Nov 13 16:08:27 2008 |
John_Gulas |
i forgot her name but the shirt takes a direct stance behind Hill's stance in the case |
Thu Nov 13 16:08:48 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
right... and that's one of the show's most sympathetic characrers: Mary Jo |
Thu Nov 13 16:08:56 2008 |
Bethany_Andrews |
Besides the fact that the producer is a female, the most adamant advocate of Thomas was portrayed as being slightly "dumb" and unrelatable for viewers. |
Thu Nov 13 16:09:09 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Rght, Bethany |
Thu Nov 13 16:09:27 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
The sympathetic characres are pro-Hill and the unsympathetic ones are anti-Hill |
Thu Nov 13 16:09:35 2008 |
Matthew_Glasscock |
ahh |
Thu Nov 13 16:09:49 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So, groups 3 and 4: how might the ep still be read to support Thomas? |
Thu Nov 13 16:10:09 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
We're running short of time so just leap in |
Thu Nov 13 16:10:25 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
well, alison, who wore the "she lied" shirt- |
Thu Nov 13 16:10:31 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
How does the ep perhaps contradict the producer's stated liberalism? |
Thu Nov 13 16:10:40 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
she was sympathizing with the male opinion |
Thu Nov 13 16:11:00 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
she was saying that she wanted attention and this was a waste of time because the decision had already been made |
Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008 |
Benjamin_Kallam |
Even though she was not the most sympathetic character, she still presents a somewhat reasonable argument for the opposition's side |
Thu Nov 13 16:11:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Anyone? |
Thu Nov 13 16:11:19 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
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Thu Nov 13 16:11:43 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Good point, Ben |
Thu Nov 13 16:11:44 2008 |
Christy_McGee |
They talk about how it took Hill ten years to come forward, and how she did so at a very convenient time. |
Thu Nov 13 16:12:10 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What else seems to support the point of view that Thomas is right and Hill is wrong? |
Thu Nov 13 16:12:27 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What do you make of the scene at the end where Mary Jo is in Bette Davis make-up? |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:01 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
bette davis was very outspoken and with mary jo being in her makeup it gave her a sense of empowerment |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:07 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
true |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:09 2008 |
Bethany_Andrews |
there's a very strong "crazy radical feminist" vibe from Mary Jo that would cause viewers to lean the other way |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:24 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Good point, Bethany |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:33 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Remember how she says |
Thu Nov 13 16:13:45 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
I don't care if you thnk I'm a feminist or a fruitcake? |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:04 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
And then she launches into a rant, in excessive make-up, that DOES seem like a fruitcake |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:05 2008 |
Christy_McGee |
(in addition to Bethany's comment) Especially given that they do not give Clarence Thomas a voice in the episode. |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:29 2008 |
Christy_McGee |
I don't think... |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:34 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
So, she embodies the "crazy radical feminst" and thus undercuts the rational feminist perspective |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:40 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Yes, Christy? |
Thu Nov 13 16:14:55 2008 |
Christy_Abercrombie |
sorry i didn't mean to hit whatever button i hit |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:02 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
OK. |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:15 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What do you guys think of the montage at the end? |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:23 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What 'message' does it send? |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:37 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
What's the 'final word' ina sense? |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:45 2008 |
Erin_Williams |
that women will always be silenced, in one way or another |
Thu Nov 13 16:15:52 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
yes |
Thu Nov 13 16:16:14 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Does anyone remember how it ends, specifically? |
Thu Nov 13 16:16:19 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Can you describe it? |
Thu Nov 13 16:16:51 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
(crickets chirping) |
Thu Nov 13 16:16:57 2008 |
John_Gulas |
A still shot Anita with her head down behind the microphone while some Senator is speaking |
Thu Nov 13 16:17:02 2008 |
John_Gulas |
?? |
Thu Nov 13 16:17:08 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Right... and the melancholy music continues |
Thu Nov 13 16:17:29 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Don't you tihnk it reinforces Erin's point? |
Thu Nov 13 16:17:47 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Okay... we've run out of time. I know you have other classes to get to. |
Thu Nov 13 16:17:56 2008 |
Jeremy_Butler |
Thanks for helping me experiment with the online chat! |