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− | #How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"? | + | #'''Group 3:''' Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure: the spider woman and the nurturing woman. Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen. |
+ | #'''Group 4:''' How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"? | ||
#*And what is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''. | #*And what is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir? Discuss, with reference to ''Out of the Past'', ''The Grifters'', and ''Double Indemnity''. | ||
+ | #'''Grad Group:''' How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Does this play out in the films we've seen? | ||
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#Place contends, "The style of these films thus overwhelms their conventional narrative content." Explain, with examples from the films noir we've seen. | #Place contends, "The style of these films thus overwhelms their conventional narrative content." Explain, with examples from the films noir we've seen. | ||
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#What does Place feel is the "central obsession of film noir"? Do you agree with her? | #What does Place feel is the "central obsession of film noir"? Do you agree with her? | ||
#Place uses a term rooted in Freudian psychology: narcissism. What does this term mean and how is is important to understanding women in noir? | #Place uses a term rooted in Freudian psychology: narcissism. What does this term mean and how is is important to understanding women in noir? | ||
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===Richard Dyer=== | ===Richard Dyer=== | ||
− | #How does Dyer feel film noir can be defined beyond Schrader’s "mood"? What does he mean by the term, "iconography"? Hint: he uses it more broadly than Kitses. | + | #'''Group 1:''' How does Dyer feel film noir can be defined beyond Schrader’s "mood"? What does he mean by the term, "iconography"? Hint: he uses it more broadly than Kitses. |
#*What, then, are gay iconographic features? He mentions ''The Maltese Falcon'' in particular. Have we seen these features in other films shown in class? | #*What, then, are gay iconographic features? He mentions ''The Maltese Falcon'' in particular. Have we seen these features in other films shown in class? | ||
+ | #*What does Dyer feel is significant about the "luxury milieu" of noir? Explain his comment that "gay men and the femmes fatales share the same decor iconographically." | ||
+ | #'''Group 2:''' How does noir imply "male uncertainly about sexuality"? How does this compare with the representation of the male group in Hawks's films? | ||
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#*What does Dyer mean when he writes, "Gays are thus defined by everything but the very thing that makes us different"? | #*What does Dyer mean when he writes, "Gays are thus defined by everything but the very thing that makes us different"? | ||
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#Dyer writes that gays can serve the narrative function of the villain, but, besides that, what other function do they often serve within the narrative structure? | #Dyer writes that gays can serve the narrative function of the villain, but, besides that, what other function do they often serve within the narrative structure? | ||
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== Bibliography == | == Bibliography == |
Revision as of 15:45, 27 February 2008
Readings
Janey Place
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- Group 3: Place focuses on two aspects of noir narrative structure: the spider woman and the nurturing woman. Discuss the characteristics of each of these character types, drawing examples from the films we've seen.
- Group 4: How is Place using the terms "myth" and "mythology"?
- And what is the "ideological operation of the myth[s]" of film noir? Discuss, with reference to Out of the Past, The Grifters, and Double Indemnity.
- Grad Group: How is the "duplicitous nature" of women expressed in noir, according to Place? Does this play out in the films we've seen?
All Groups:
- Place contends, "The style of these films thus overwhelms their conventional narrative content." Explain, with examples from the films noir we've seen.
- What does Place feel is the "central obsession of film noir"? Do you agree with her?
- Place uses a term rooted in Freudian psychology: narcissism. What does this term mean and how is is important to understanding women in noir?
Richard Dyer
- Group 1: How does Dyer feel film noir can be defined beyond Schrader’s "mood"? What does he mean by the term, "iconography"? Hint: he uses it more broadly than Kitses.
- What, then, are gay iconographic features? He mentions The Maltese Falcon in particular. Have we seen these features in other films shown in class?
- What does Dyer feel is significant about the "luxury milieu" of noir? Explain his comment that "gay men and the femmes fatales share the same decor iconographically."
- Group 2: How does noir imply "male uncertainly about sexuality"? How does this compare with the representation of the male group in Hawks's films?
All Groups:
- What does Dyer mean when he writes, "Gays are thus defined by everything but the very thing that makes us different"?
- Dyer writes that gays can serve the narrative function of the villain, but, besides that, what other function do they often serve within the narrative structure?
Bibliography
- Janey Place, "Women in Film Noir," Women in Film Noir, ed. E. Ann Kaplan (London: BFI, 1998), 47-68.
- Richard Dyer, "Homosexuality and Film Noir," The Matter of Images: Essays on Representation (London & New York: Routledge, 1993), 52-72. Originally published in Jump Cut 16 (1977).[1]