Domestic Melodrama Since World War II (Discussion) - Revision history

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 #**Does John Steinbeck's ''The Grapes of Wrath'' somehow connect to the film's narrative/themes?
-{{Gallery
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-|title=''Lady Bird''
+File:LadyBirdqq00 00 27qq00001.jpg|alt=Opening shot.|Opening shot.
-|width=356
+File:LadyBirdqq00 01 20qq00004.jpg|alt=Grapes of Wrath.|Audio book: ''The Grapes of Wrath''.
-|height=200
+File:LadyBirdqq00 06 18qq00005.jpg|alt=Lady Bird and Julie walk through an affluent neighborhood.|Lady Bird and Julie walk through an affluent neighborhood.
-|lines=1
+File:LadyBirdqq00 06 29qq00009.jpg|alt=Their favorite house.|Their favorite house (Danny's grandmother's).
-|align=center
+File:LadyBirdqq00 08 17qq00018.jpg|alt=Marion crosses the tracks.|Marion crosses the tracks while driving home.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 00 27qq00001.jpg|alt1=Opening shot.|Opening shot.
+File:LadyBirdqq00 08 19qq00019.jpg|alt=The McPherson's neighborhood.|The McPherson's neighborhood.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 01 20qq00004.jpg|alt2=Grapes of Wrath.|Audio book: ''The Grapes of Wrath''.
+File:LadyBirdqq00 08 24qq00020.jpg|alt=The McPherson's home.|The McPherson's home.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 06 18qq00005.jpg|alt3=Lady Bird and Julie walk through an affluent neighborhood.|Lady Bird and Julie walk through an affluent neighborhood.
+File:LadyBirdqq01 02 43qq00049.jpg|alt=Lady Bird and Marion visit an open house.|Lady Bird and Marion visit an open house.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 06 29qq00009.jpg|alt4=Their favorite house.|Their favorite house (Danny's grandmother's).
+File:LadyBirdqq01 27 59qq00040.jpg|alt=Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.|Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 08 17qq00018.jpg|alt5=Marion crosses the tracks.|Marion crosses the tracks while driving home.
+File:LadyBirdqq01 27 59qq00041.jpg|alt=Montage: Marion drives through Sacramento.|Montage: Marion drives through Sacramento.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 08 19qq00019.jpg|alt6=The McPherson's neighborhood.|The McPherson's neighborhood.
+File:LadyBirdqq01 28 10qq00045.jpg|alt=Final shot.|Final shot.
-|File:LadyBirdqq00 08 24qq00020.jpg|alt7=The McPherson's home.|The McPherson's home.
+</gallery>
 '''Christine Gledhill'''
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 ==External links==
-#[https://tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/JCM412/Lady%20Bird/index.html ''Lady Bird'' illustrations.]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/JCM412/Lady%20Bird/index.html ''Lady Bird'' illustrations.]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/JunoPix/index.htm ''Juno'' illustrations.]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/JunoPix/index.htm ''Juno'' illustrations.]
 == Bibliography ==

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 #*'''Groups 3 and 4:''' How is the relationship between parents (especially mothers) and children represented? Since ''Lady Bird'' is told from the perspective of a child, compare and contrast its protagonist with the three other teenagers we've seen: Conrad (''Ordinary People''), Peola (''Imitation of Life''), and Jesse (''Imitation of Life''). How do you interpret the film's final montage?
 #**How is the theme of maternal sacrifice represented?
-#*'''Group 5:''' There isn't really a conflict between domestic love and romantic love in ''Lady Bird'', but how would you say it represents romantic, adolescent love? Is it contrasted with mature, adult love? Compare/contrast Lady Bird's romances with Conrad's and Jessie's (we don't see Peola in romantic situations; but the 1959 version highlights her counterpart's boyfriend).
+#*'''Groups 5 and 1:''' There isn't really a conflict between domestic love and romantic love in ''Lady Bird'', but how would you say it represents romantic, adolescent love? Is it contrasted with mature, adult love? Compare/contrast Lady Bird's romances with Conrad's and Jessie's (we don't see Peola in romantic situations; but the 1959 version highlights her counterpart's boyfriend).
-#*'''Groups 1 and 2:''' ''Lady Bird'' is largely a film about social and economic classes. How is the iconography of the upper middle class home represented? What does this iconography mean? Does it illustrate Elsaesser's comment: "Melodrama is iconographically fixed by the claustrophobic atmosphere of the bourgeois [i.e., middle-class] home and/or the smalltown setting..." (p. 62)? Is Sacramento a "small town," do you think, in this regard? And how is New York City represented?
+#*'''Groups 6 and 2:''' ''Lady Bird'' is largely a film about social and economic classes. How is the iconography of the upper middle class home represented? What does this iconography mean? Does it illustrate Elsaesser's comment: "Melodrama is iconographically fixed by the claustrophobic atmosphere of the bourgeois [i.e., middle-class] home and/or the smalltown setting..." (p. 62)? Is Sacramento a "small town," do you think, in this regard? And how is New York City represented?
 #**Does John Steinbeck's ''The Grapes of Wrath'' somehow connect to the film's narrative/themes?
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 |File:LadyBirdqq01 28 10qq00045.jpg|alt11=Final shot.|Final shot.
 }}
 '''Christine Gledhill'''
-#'''Group 3:''' How did melodrama become "respectable" in academic circles? In particular, what does it mean to "read" a film "against the grain" (p. 6)? What do you think the "grain" of ''Imitation of Life'' is? How might one read against that grain?
+#'''Groups 3 and 4:''' How did melodrama become "respectable" in academic circles? In particular, what does it mean to "read" a film "against the grain" (p. 6)? What do you think the "grain" of ''Imitation of Life'' is? How might one read against that grain?
-#'''Group 4:''' What four "points of tension" does Gledhill see in 1970s film criticism about melodrama?
+#'''Groups 5 and 1:''' What four "points of tension" does Gledhill see in 1970s film criticism about melodrama?
-#'''Groups 5 and 1:''' Gledhill discusses ''Coma, Witness'', and ''The Color Purple'' as melodramas descended from silent melodrama such as ''Way Down East'' (1920).  What key aspects of melodrama (e.g., "scenarios of persecuted innocence") does she see in these newer films? Can you think of recent films or TV programs that also contain these aspects?
+#'''Groups 6 and 2:''' Gledhill discusses ''Coma, Witness'', and ''The Color Purple'' as melodramas descended from silent melodrama such as ''Way Down East'' (1920).  What key aspects of melodrama (e.g., "scenarios of persecuted innocence") does she see in these newer films? Can you think of recent films or TV programs that also contain these aspects?
-#'''Group 2:''' What were "patent theaters"? How did "illegitimate" theaters get around the restrictions of the patent system? When were restrictions lifted in England and France?
+#'''All groups:''' What were "patent theaters"? How did "illegitimate" theaters get around the restrictions of the patent system? When were restrictions lifted in England and France?
 '''Thomas Elsaesser'''

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	==External links==		==External links==
		+	#[https://tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/JCM412/Lady%20Bird/index.html ''Lady Bird'' illustrations.]
	#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/JunoPix/index.htm ''Juno'' illustrations.]		#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/JunoPix/index.htm ''Juno'' illustrations.]

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 |File:LadyBirdqq01 27 59qq00040.jpg|alt9=Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.|Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.
-|File:LadyBirdqq01 27 59qq00041.jpg|alt10=Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.|Montage: Lady Bird drives through Sacramento.
+|File:LadyBirdqq01 27 59qq00041.jpg|alt10=Montage: Marion drives through Sacramento.|Montage: Marion drives through Sacramento.
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 #Compare/contrast ''Lady Bird'' with ''Imitation of Life''. How does ''Lady Bird'' use (or not) themes from 1930s melodrama? How does it compare/contrast with ''Ordinary People''?
 #*'''Groups 3 and 4:''' How is the relationship between parents (especially mothers) and children represented? Since ''Lady Bird'' is told from the perspective of a child, compare and contrast its protagonist with the three other teenagers we've seen: Conrad (''Ordinary People''), Peola (''Imitation of Life''), and Jesse (''Imitation of Life''). How do you interpret the film's final montage?
-#*How is the theme of maternal sacrifice represented?
+#**How is the theme of maternal sacrifice represented?
 #*'''Group 5:''' There isn't really a conflict between domestic love and romantic love in ''Lady Bird'', but how would you say it represents romantic, adolescent love? Is it contrasted with mature, adult love? Compare/contrast Lady Bird's romances with Conrad's and Jessie's (we don't see Peola in romantic situations; but the 1959 version highlights her counterpart's boyfriend).
 #*'''Groups 1 and 2:''' ''Lady Bird'' is largely a film about social and economic classes. How is the iconography of the upper middle class home represented? What does this iconography mean? Does it illustrate Elsaesser's comment: "Melodrama is iconographically fixed by the claustrophobic atmosphere of the bourgeois [i.e., middle-class] home and/or the smalltown setting..." (p. 62)? Is Sacramento a "small town," do you think, in this regard? And how is New York City represented?

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 '''''Lady Bird'' (written and directed by Greta Gerwig, 2017)'''
 #Compare/contrast ''Lady Bird'' with ''Imitation of Life''. How does ''Lady Bird'' use (or not) themes from 1930s melodrama? How does it compare/contrast with ''Ordinary People''?
-#*'''Group 3:''' How are mothers represented? Specifically, how would you characterize the relationship between mothers and their children?
+#*'''Group 3:''' How is the relationship between parents (especially mothers) and children represented? Since ''Lady Bird'' is told from the perspective of a child, compare and contrast its protagonist with the three other teenagers we've seen: Conrad (''Ordinary People''), Peola (''Imitation of Life''), and Jesse (''Imitation of Life'').
 #*'''Group 4:''' How is the theme of sacrifice represented?
-#*'''Group 5:''' There isn't really a conflict between domestic love and romantic love in ''Lady Bird'', but how would you say it represents romantic, adolescent love? Is it contrasted with mature, adult love?
+#*'''Group 5:''' There isn't really a conflict between domestic love and romantic love in ''Lady Bird'', but how would you say it represents romantic, adolescent love? Is it contrasted with mature, adult love? Compare/contrast Lady Bird's romances with Conrad's and Peola's (we don't see Jesse in romantic situations; but the 1959 version highlights her counterpart's boyfriend).
 #*'''Groups 1 and 2:''' ''Lady Bird'' is largely a film about social and economic classes. How is the iconography of the upper middle class home represented? What does this iconography mean? Does it illustrate Elsaesser's comment: "Melodrama is iconographically fixed by the claustrophobic atmosphere of the bourgeois [i.e., middle-class] home and/or the smalltown setting..." (p. 62)? Is Sacramento a "small town," do you think, in this regard? And how is New York City represented?