Film Noir as Genre (Discussion) - Revision history

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Jeremy Butler: /* External links */ updated

2020-01-31T17:22:10Z

External links: updated

Jeremy Butler: /* Janey Place & Lowell Peterson (Group 3) */

2019-09-08T01:27:26Z

Janey Place & Lowell Peterson (Group 3)

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Jeremy Butler at 14:20, 23 April 2018

2018-04-23T14:20:52Z

Jeremy Butler: /* Raymond Durgnat (Group 1) */ addition

2018-02-12T15:15:50Z

Raymond Durgnat (Group 1): addition

Jeremy Butler: /* Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton (Group 4) */

2018-02-12T02:27:44Z

Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton (Group 4)

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 ==Readings==
-===Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton ('''Groups 4 & 5''')===
+===Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton===
 In "Toward a Definition of Film Noir," Borde and Chaumeton look mostly at aspects of narrative and theme in their definition of noir.
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 #Are these elements present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Raymond Durgnat ('''Group 1''')===
+===Raymond Durgnat===
 "Paint It Black: The Family Tree of the Film Noir" covers eleven aspects of film noir.  Some of these (most of them) are related to narrative and others to theme.
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 #Which of these aspects are present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Paul Schrader ('''Group 2''') ===
+===Paul Schrader===
 In "Notes on Film Noir", Schrader claims that “film noir is not a genre.” In considering his comments, provide examples from ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''.
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 #Although Schrader is mostly interested in stylistics, he does also discuss the "over-riding noir theme."  What is it? Is it present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Janey Place & Lowell Peterson ('''Group 3''')===
+===Janey Place & Lowell Peterson===
 As is obvious from the title, "Some Visual Motifs of Film Noir," Place and Peterson are principally concerned with noir's imagery.
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 #Can you think of examples of anti-traditional noir style in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''? (See the screen shots linked to below.)
-{{Gallery
+<gallery mode="packed" heights=200px>
-|title=''In a Lonely Place''
+File:InALonelyPlace00008.jpg|alt=Humphrey Bogart looks demented.|"A strange high-light under [Humphrey] Bogart's eyes injects a sinister, demented quality into his mock description of his part in the murder..."
-|width=400
+File:InALonelyPlace00001.jpg|alt=Frame grab of Jeff spying on Kathie.|"A low-angle shot expresses the menace of [Gloria] Grahame's Lesbian masseuse..."
-|height=300
+</gallery>
 == Bibliography ==
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 ==External links==
-#[http://tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screenshots]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screenshots]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screenshots]
 [[Category:JCM412/512 Discussion]]

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 ==Readings==
-<gallery mode="packed" heights=200px>
+In "Toward a Definition of Film Noir," Borde and Chaumeton look mostly at aspects of narrative and theme in their definition of noir.
-File:InALonelyPlace00008.jpg|alt=Humphrey Bogart looks demented.|"A strange high-light under [Humphrey] Bogart's eyes injects a sinister, demented quality into his mock description of his part in the murder..."
-File:InALonelyPlace00001.jpg|alt=Frame grab of Jeff spying on Kathie.|"A low-angle shot expresses the menace of [Gloria] Grahame's Lesbian masseuse..."
+#What do they mean "moral determinism" (as a theme)? And how are ''private'' detectives different from ''police'' detectives?
-</gallery>
+#How do they believe noir has "renovated the theme of violence"?
 == Bibliography ==
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 ==External links==
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
+#[http://tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
+#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screenshots]
+#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screen shots]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screenshots]
+#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screen shots]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screenshots]
+#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]
 [[Category:JCM412/512 Discussion]]

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	==Readings==		==Readings==
−	~~===Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton===~~
−
−	~~In "Toward a Definition of Film Noir," Borde and Chaumeton look mostly at aspects of narrative and theme in their definition of noir.~~
−
−	~~#What do they mean "moral determinism" (as a theme)? And how are ''private'' detectives different from ''police'' detectives?~~
−	~~#How do they believe noir has "renovated the theme of violence"?~~
−	#In terms of narrative, how do they characterize the "hero" of noir (as in ''Lady from Shanghai'')? And how do they characterize the ''femme fatale'' (that is, what is a ''femme fatale'' and how does she fit into noir?)?
−	~~#Are these elements present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?~~
−
−	~~===Raymond Durgnat===~~
−	~~"Paint It Black: The Family Tree of the Film Noir" covers eleven aspects of film noir. Some of these (most of them) are related to narrative and others to theme.~~
−
−	~~#Which aspects are narrative and which are theme?~~
−	~~#*Crime as a social criticism~~
−	~~#*Gangsters~~
−	~~#*On the run~~
−	~~#*Private eyes and adventurers~~
−	~~#*Middle-class murder~~
−	~~#*Portraits and doubles~~
−	~~#*Sexual pathology~~
−	~~#*Psychopaths~~
−	~~#*Hostages to fortune~~
−	~~#*Blacks and reds~~
−	~~#*Guignol ("geen-yol"), horror, fantasy~~
−	~~#Which of these aspects are present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?~~
−
−	~~===Paul Schrader===~~
−	~~In "Notes on Film Noir", Schrader claims that “film noir is not a genre.” In considering his comments, provide examples from ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''.~~
−
−	~~#Why is it not a genre, in his view? Do you agree or disagree?~~
−	#What does he mean by the term "stylistics"? And what aspects of noir stylistics does he note? Can you think of examples from ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon'' that contain these elements? (See the screen shots linked to below.)
−	~~#Although Schrader is mostly interested in stylistics, he does also discuss the "over-riding noir theme." What is it? Is it present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?~~
−
−	~~===Janey Place & Lowell Peterson===~~
−	~~As is obvious from the title, "Some Visual Motifs of Film Noir," Place and Peterson are principally concerned with noir's imagery.~~
−
−	~~#How is noir "antitraditional"? What do they mean by this term? How is antitraditional style found in noir?~~
−	~~#What purpose does this visual style serve? In other words, what does it ''mean''?~~
−	~~#Can you think of examples of anti-traditional noir style in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''? (See the screen shots linked to below.)~~

	<gallery mode="packed" heights=200px>		<gallery mode="packed" heights=200px>

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 ==Readings==
-===Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton ('''Groups 4 & 5''')===
+===Raymond Borde and Étienne Chaumeton===
 In "Toward a Definition of Film Noir," Borde and Chaumeton look mostly at aspects of narrative and theme in their definition of noir.
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 #Are these elements present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Raymond Durgnat ('''Group 1''')===
+===Raymond Durgnat===
 "Paint It Black: The Family Tree of the Film Noir" covers eleven aspects of film noir.  Some of these (most of them) are related to narrative and others to theme.
@@ Line 29: / Line 29: @@
 #Which of these aspects are present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Paul Schrader ('''Group 2''') ===
+===Paul Schrader===
 In "Notes on Film Noir", Schrader claims that “film noir is not a genre.” In considering his comments, provide examples from ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''.
@@ Line 36: / Line 36: @@
 #Although Schrader is mostly interested in stylistics, he does also discuss the "over-riding noir theme."  What is it? Is it present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?
-===Janey Place & Lowell Peterson ('''Group 3''')===
+===Janey Place & Lowell Peterson===
 As is obvious from the title, "Some Visual Motifs of Film Noir," Place and Peterson are principally concerned with noir's imagery.
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 #[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
 #[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screenshots]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screenshots]
-#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screenshots]
 [[Category:JCM412/512 Discussion]]

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 ==External links==
-#[http://tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T112/FilmNoirIllustrations.php Film Noir Illustrations]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/FilmNoirTimeline.pdf Film Noir Timeline]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/LadyFromShanghai/index.htm ''Lady from Shanghai'' screen shots]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/MalteseFalcon01/index.htm ''The Maltese Falcon'' screen shots]
-#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]
+#[https://tvcrit.org/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]
 [[Category:JCM412/512 Discussion]]

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	#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]		#[http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/OutOfThePast/index.htm ''Out of the Past'' screen shots]

−	[[Category:~~TCF440~~/~~540~~ Discussion]]	+	[[Category:JCM412/512 Discussion]]

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 #*Hostages to fortune
 #*Blacks and reds
-#*Guignol ("geen-yol")
+#*Guignol ("geen-yol"), horror, fantasy
 #Which of these aspects are present in ''Out of the Past'' and ''The Maltese Falcon''?